British Apostates should Not be Killed!

16 09 2007

When was the last time we heard of a former Muslim being killed in Britain for apostasy? The Church is at it again, unable to preserve its own creed which has been compromised so much that what is left of it is just complete sham. Pseudo intellectuals still holding on the religious dogma with dubious foundation and no appeal have decided to attack the Islamic ideology once again using a secular premise… contradictory to their own belief. I read in the observer today:

One of the Church of England’s most senior bishops is warning that people will die unless Muslim leaders in Britain speak out in defence of the right to change faith.

Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, whose father converted from Islam to Christianity in Pakistan, says he is looking to Muslim leaders in Britain to ‘uphold basic civil liberties, including the right for people to believe what they wish to believe and to even change their beliefs if they wish to do so’. Source

Not so long ago, the Catholic Church was all too concerned about the ‘Islamisation of Europe‘ and now the would be Archbishop of Canterbury is fearing safety for an estimate of 3000 Muslims who have switched to other beliefs in Britain. The figure of 3000, sounds like a calculation of apostates since the very first existence of Muslims in Britain, in which case, none have been killed so far. Perhaps his fears are based on the same superstition as the entire belief system imposed in the name of a sham called modern Christianity.

“It is very common in the world today, including in this country, for people who have changed their faith, particularly from being Muslim to being Christian, to be ostracised, to lose their job, for their marriages to be dissolved, for children to be taken away,’ Ali said. ‘And this is why some leadership is necessary from Muslim leaders themselves to say that this is not what Islam teaches.” Source

yes, indeed it is common today, including in this country, for people changing their faiths to be ostracised. But why, Sir, did you feel the need to single out Islam on this? When Islam happens to be the fastest growing religion in the world, particularly in the west. Which according to your logic would mean… most of those being ostracised are actually those accepting Islam. Though, I won’t deny a Muslim leaving Islam is not always taken lightly, as with most other faiths, but to suggest a Muslim apostate would be killed in the UK is based on your prejudice and the deep rooted hatred you carry for Islam.

It is true that according to Islamic shariah the one who leaves Islam, an apostate (Murtadh), publicly, in form of a rebellion, as long as he is mature and sane in invited back to Islam thrice before being killed, in an Islamic State. Apostates, before them have many options to consider, they can hide their apostasy, simply leave the Islamic State to a place where they can freely practice their new belief. But the problem here is not even that, since Britain is not an Islamic State and killing of an apostate would not just find any justification in Islam, it would also be a criminal activity according to State law. In which case, Mr Ali should get over his imaginary fears, stop hating and perhaps do something constructive like pressuring his own leaders to stop mass killing Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere who are apostates of freedom, secularism and the very liberty the west stands for and enforcing upon others using brutal force.

Islam, to Muslims is an intellectual belief in the existence of God- the creator, His books, His angels, His Prophets and so on… a doctrine based on irrefutable facts carried by Muslims as basis of their life. The Muslims will never accept to change the divine laws of the creator to conform with the type of man made modernity and liberty which has almost destroyed most religions of the world including Christianity.

Β· ‘Dispatches: Unholy War’ will be on Channel 4 at 8pm tomorrow.

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16 responses

17 09 2007
Hasmita

Imagine if you were a hindu or Sikh and you became Muslim, you would be disowned, if not beaten the hell out of. I think its an asian thing, they take ‘honour’ to the next level, and this man being an Asian should know this. Recently about 100 sikhs marched around Birmingham to condem sikhs converting to Islam, surely that should have been on this guy’s mind to address.

17 09 2007
Bubbles

Most anti-Islamists erroneously believe that no Muslim can practice their religion without opressing or impinging on the rights of non-Muslims. Seems like a deliberate ‘error’ if you ask me.

17 09 2007
Bubbles

Except in the West where individualism is the norm in other parts of the world breaking away from your group will pretty much incur the wrath of the other members. So I don’t see why he’s making it out like it’s an Islam-thing. These people can’t get enough of twisting Islam and misrepresenting what Muslims are really about.

17 09 2007
Shahrzad

We have kind of law, yet it is a law in all religions. Nevertheless who can remember other muslims have killed apostates? So many of apostates in US too. It is another advertisement against islam, yet would be good they look at history and see how apostates got murdered by their christian brothers! Just recently, an egyption christian girl who converted to islam, got wildly murdered as an apostate..

17 09 2007
Stevie

Dispatches investigates the violence and intimidation facing Muslims who convert to Christianity in Britain
Unholy War

Dispatches investigates the violence and intimidation facing Muslims who convert to Christianity in Britain. Dispatches reporter Antony Barnett meets former Muslims who now live under the threat of reprisals from their former communities. Many are still living in fear. He interviews a family who have been driven out of their home and a convert whose brother was beaten close to death.

The investigation uncovers a network of churches supporting converts from Islam who have to worship under a veil of secrecy. It is estimated there are as many as 3,000 Muslims who have converted to Christianity living in Britain.

Converting to another religion for a Muslim is not just considered a taboo act by some believers. Certain Islamic texts demand converts – also known as apostates – be punished severely for deserting their faith. In several Islamic states, the death penalty is imposed. Here in Britain, Dispatches discovers a form of mob justice is taking place on our streets. A concerned Christian bishop tells Dispatches that it may not be long before a British convert is killed, and implores Muslim leaders to take action.

Dispatches discovers the situation for converts from Islam in Britain is a tinderbox waiting to explode. Increasingly asylum seekers from Islamic countries are exploring different faiths in Britain while a new strand of evangelical Christianity is targeting Britain’s Muslims for conversion.

With radical British Islamic groups calling for apostates to be executed if they achieved their goal of a worldwide Islamic state, it’s a potentially dangerous cocktail that has been exacerbated by the silence of both Muslim and Christian leaders on the subject.

17 09 2007
Stevie

As tonight’s documentary will reveal the potential danger of Muslims taking law in their own hands to punish those who leave Islam.

17 09 2007
Hasmita

I just watched this documentary and I am shocked at the fact that they have missionaries working in places like Bradford targeting vulnerable Muslims. How scheming is that?

17 09 2007
Hasmita

Stevie, what danger?

17 09 2007
Tia

Hasmita exactly, Britain is a society where people would kill others for supporting another football team. Though, I am not aware of the Birmingham case you mentioned, but I do know of tonnes of young reverts to Islam who faced immense struggle, including threats from thier own families, so its definitly not restricted to Muslims only.

Bubbles, its anything but deliberate. Here in the UK, every week if not day, there is someone out there maligning Islam including mainstream TV channel funded by the people resorting to shoddy journalism to attack Islam. It fuels the misconceptions and sterotypes, but I think most people are now begining to ignore the media and carry out thier own independent research, which is comforting.

Shahrzad, in some countries death penalties still exist for treason, though apostasy is not the same but it is law of the Islamic State. And precisely, who can remember the last time someone was killed for apostasy by other muslims? nada

Stevie, I only caught the last half of the documentary and all I saw was what hasmita mentioned, Christians targetting volnerable Muslims in planned fashion based on extensive researches. What did Mr Ali have to say about that? If it was the opposite, and some Muslim organisation was found to convert people to Islam in such manner it would have been headlines, ‘Hardline Muslim missionaries duping young Brits to convert’!

19 09 2007
Sumera

I caught a bit of the documentary and to be honest the reaction from the community or parents of these people wasn’t surprising -its what I term “pindu behaviour” and is applicable across the range, not just to apostasy (e.g. girls being caught for dating, wanting to marry outside their creed/race etc).

Converting to a faith outside of the one you have been raised in is bound to upset people, but I dont see how this is an issue solely amongst the Muslim community. Its a struggle for most who convert to any faith besides their families/communities.

20 09 2007
Tia

‘Pindu behaviour’ just sums it up. πŸ™‚

22 09 2007
amal

according to my mother she considers me an apostate πŸ˜›
a good article tia , it breaks my heart to see a muslim leave islam , their is no life better then this faith.But a lot of the time it is due to wanting to be more free rather then faith , christianty in my opinion has become a joke , why being a christian their are no rules just do whatever and believe in the holy christ cos hey he died for your sins !
in reality doing what you want is not freedom , if people would only see .

23 09 2007
Tia

I have never come across a Muslim who leaves Islam for another truth which they strongly believe in. Most people leave Islam because they were never convinced of it due to lack of knowledge, inability or access to means required for investigation and most of all the Islam they are leaving/believe(d) in, is not the Islam rather something they inherited in the name of Islam. I remember, a few years ago, a Muslim man became Christian because he watched the movie on Christ which touched him so much that he decided to convert when he was 14!! An Iranian lecturer at my univ left Islam because she was forced to cover up.

it really makes me sad too sis, it also shows how much work we have to do, with our Masajids, community etc to makesure Muslims with weak imaan are not short of guidance.

25 09 2007
Observor

Its good to see Musilms taking the offensive and not apologetic like certain someone shaykh appeard on dispatches!

16 04 2010
jayrenaud

Let’s be clear: unlike the bible or other founding documents, the quran calls for the death of apostates, all four schools of islamic jurisprudence call for the death of apostates, and apostates are put to death in various awful ways around the islamic world. While it is true the phrase “There is no compulsion in religion” is written in the quran, Muhammed (allegedly transcribing the words of Allah) places these words in the mouths of the unbelievers as a false argument, as a means of saying, “there is compulsion in religion and if you are not a muslim, you will be punished,” as is repeated over 105 times throughout the quran. One merely has to look at what really happens, not what some ignorant imam or (statistically illiterate) muslim says about his religion. Look what actually happens, and do not bother with what is said.

27 06 2010
Silver

Why do people just assume that people leave the religion because they don’t understand it? Maybe they just don’t want to believe in fairy tales? I myself don’t like a lot of aspects that the Qu’ran mentions about women. Does that make me ignorant? You assume that a person leaves just because they don’t understand it? How arrogant! And second, there are many people suffering because of apostate laws. Do Western nations have these laws? How come most of you Muslims are ignoring this?

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